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08/22/2013 1:15 PM
Doc. and Soldier Ant
08/22/2013 5:18 PM
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Doctorant wrote:That would be awesome, Myrmacophyl! I do miss him, still...
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10/24/2013 8:41 AM
Soldier Antand Doc.
10/26/2013 4:56 PM
Both of you are correct in your views but consider this: Ant slavery was coined long ago to describe a certain way of life that was known for some ant species and although slavery was at that moment common practice for many humans it meant not exactly the same for the ants. I, at this moment, can see that both your arguments have many good points in it BUT it is about ANT slavery. For all the confusion it brought about I was a supporter for DrAnts new name, introduced by him as:
” In response to senstitivities and concerns about the flawed analogy of the behavior of these ants to human slavery, I propose using the terminology “cleptergy” and “cleptergic”, and host workers, for what are now called “slave-making behavior”, “slave-maker” ants, and “slave” ants.”
Later on DrAnt wrote:
“Cleptergy = the noun “slave-making” (literally, theft of work), cleptergic the adjective. I took the suggestion for using this term out of the paper after some rather negative reaction from one of the foremost students of parsitic ants, Prof. Alfred Buschinger.”
“DrAnt, I was one of the supporters of “cleptergy”. Most types of relations between ants have their own name and the stealing of pupae is already called dulosis, so I liked to call the type of “slave-keepers” as “cleptergics” (nicer and no negative “rumors in the background”.). It also had something like the “cleptoparasitic” bees… a special name for a special behavior!”
I still am in favor of “cleptergy” but won’t reject “ant slavery” on the basis of it sounding like “human slavery”
It reminds me of a similar thing in Europe. At this moment all of you know that the helpers of Santa Claus are…, how should I say it, have a dark skin. Now, it is so since Santa Claus got his day and all things around it. Now, some people have gone to the European commission to change this “because saying that the helpers of Santa Claus are blacks is an act of racism”. If this is accepted, a lot of common and non-offensive names should change….. This is all madness!
So, stop comparing two different things and don’t look for something more behind “ant slavery” or, to be prudent, use “cleptergy” and support DrAnt!
10/26/2013 5:17 PM
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10/27/2013 2:31 AM
While I’m sympathetic to your viewpoint, the empirical reality (at least as reported by several North American ant researchers) is that outreach on our continent is hampered with the slavery metaphor, and that keeping with the tradition of the slave terminology may unintentionally reinforce the tradition of excluding African Americans from science. This is not conjecture- this is what has been observed by Herbers and others.
10/27/2013 6:32 AM
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10/29/2013 5:59 PM
Doctorant wrote:4) What is the host species of P. topoffi (p. 520)?
Varies by location, in Arizona F. gnava, mostly, in Pachuca Mexico, F. subcyanea. This is in the key, but definitely should have been on p. 520, too!
6) So many publications from H. Topoff, more than I expected (16 in total, see p. 546-548). I know him for his association with Schneirla and his work on army ants and Polyergus but didn't know he published so much on the cleptergic Polyergus!
Did you notice the type series is from his property in Portal Arizona?
10/30/2013 5:01 AM
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11/04/2013 10:43 PM
Wow! I've finally gained the world-wide fame I deserve.
Of course, there are numerous stupid, and some not-stupid comments at the Yahoo News post.
11/05/2013 6:38 AM
Doctorant wrote:Wow! I've finally gained the world-wide fame I deserve.
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