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08/07/2012 11:55 AM
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08/07/2012 12:01 PM
Vendayn wrote:Here is a slightly different view point. Personally, I never release ants that aren't native to the area and for a few years now, only have kept native ants.
However, why is there a bigger deal of raising exotic ants...but, you can buy and breed exotic snakes, spiders, cockroaches, stick insects and other pets? I can go to the nearby reptile store, buy exotic snakes...and breed them if I so wished. Or maybe not entirely exotic. But, I can buy female Desert hairy scorpions and male Desert hairy scorpions and attempt to breed them. And I don't believe they are found in California. If so, maybe not the best example. But, I'm sure you get the point.
I imagine that would do as much harm as exotic ants, would they not? But, why is that not illegal, when exotic ants are? I see people trading exotic pets quite often, on another US based forum. I forgot the name of it...it is quite a big one...oh, it is Arachnoboards. Or is that illegal too and they aren't supposed to do that? If not, that doesn't make any sense to me. If it is illegal, then that would make sense. And would be grounds for some prosecution of some type (even if it is a large fine), of members on that board that do so. Would it not?
08/07/2012 12:52 PM
08/07/2012 12:59 PM
Soldier Antand Doc.
08/07/2012 1:11 PM
08/07/2012 1:31 PM
rannyfash wrote:I'm sorry I didn't pick up on that, I'll see if I can find the paper. http://www.jstor.org/disc...4&sid=21101134778597 , its not the same paper but it states "other small alkaloid containing arthropods".
08/07/2012 2:13 PM
08/07/2012 5:34 PM
rannyfash wrote:"I'm a little confused as to why giving exotic colonies to hobbyists keeps the world from burning."Why
do people always resort to 'strawman' logic, the term "do they want to
watch the world burn?" was drawn from the phrase "some men just like to
watch the world burn" a metaphorical analogy of people who like chaos,
famine, anarchy; to witness disaster. By providing hobbyists with
captive bred queens, their concerns of safety will have more influence
upon the naive hobbyist who would obtain the ant queen anyway by other
08/08/2012 7:51 AM
08/08/2012 12:15 PM
Lucian wrote:Anergates wrote:Batspiderfish hit it on the head, really. Ant trade between hobbyists is incredibly risky from an ecological standpoint while not providing any new empirical data for research. In fact, hobbyist ant keepers are less useful to experts than amateur, naturalist myrmecologists who regularly catalog and identify ants in their area. [...]You are still thinking of only your own country. You have to remember not everyone on this forum is American where it is illegal to move one queen from one state to another. There are others on this forum that are part of the EU that do not have those restrictions. [...]
Anergates wrote:Batspiderfish hit it on the head, really. Ant trade between hobbyists is incredibly risky from an ecological standpoint while not providing any new empirical data for research. In fact, hobbyist ant keepers are less useful to experts than amateur, naturalist myrmecologists who regularly catalog and identify ants in their area. [...]
08/08/2012 12:38 PM
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adame wrote:I'm from France, Europe. There are no laws against ant trade, or exotic ants rearing here.But the rules on my forum are : no ants or nests trade for money, no exotic ants rearing.Our position is similar to the ideas expressed in the Bushinger and Guenar article.Rearing of local ants is encouraged.I fully agree with Anergates and Batspiderfish. Hobbyist who obtain their ants through trade are useless.
08/08/2012 2:18 PM
08/08/2012 4:08 PM
batspiderfish wrote:Hobbyists who obtain their ants through trade...create additional opportunities for the spread of disease, parasites, and invasive species.do not provide collection data.do not have an inherent need to research anything about ants beyond basic care. do not often develop identification skills.do not often stumble upon new observations for the species they own.do not often explore their local fauna.
I'm not really an expert, so maybe somebody else has a better answer.
08/08/2012 10:30 PM
If hobbyists buy local ants which they can't find themselves I don't see a problem.
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09/01/2012 9:33 AM
So explain to me why you want to import species from other countries when here in the USA we have such an amazing diversity of ants?
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